ralph reed yesterday on "meet the press." >> the issue before the country is do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable, enduring, uniquely complimentary, procreative union of a man and woman. >> you look at divorce rates -- >> the answer, that would be an argument why we ought to strengthen it. >> so steve, there's ralph reed saying this is about the procreative union of a man and woman, which i guess makes rush limbaugh's first three marriages and so far his current marriage indefensible? >> this is exactly the point. when you're talking about civil marriage, marriage recognized by the state, whether it is the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth marriages for some of these people, it is a legal marriage in the eyes of the state. and there will be gay people in happy marriages and gay people in unhappy marriages and there will be divorced gay people. but what is necessary at this point now when you look at the institution of marriage, the profound happiness it can bring to people, a, and b, the fact that it strengthens society, it is an ins